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The paranormal has exploded into our culture bringing with it a large interest channeling spirits, astral projection, automatic handwriting and more. Turn on any movie or trending show, and guarantee you will see themes of the occult or new age type of thinking.
The smallest occult influence in a Christians life is more dangerous to our spiritual walk than we even know. A door that remains open, no matter how small the gap can be disastrous in a believers life.
Take the recent Pokemon game…. It has become so popular with the younger crowds, yet very few voices out there are teaching about the dangers behind it. A lack of voice in the body of Christ gives the perception that the church doesn’t know what is going on and is old fashioned and out of date.
The youth of the church are disappearing as these occult avenues are bringing to them the spiritual side of things that they are craving to know about.
In a culture that is massively shifting, believers are totally blinded to the sheer power within our reach to dismantle the enemy’s plans. We focus too much on the darkness, but what we really need to realize is the tremendous power we have at our disposal that God has given us..
Matthew 28:18 “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth“
Luke 10:19 “ “I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.“
As believers we need to be diving deep into the radical, awesome things that God has given us.
In Matthew 24:24 Jesus warned us of counterfeit “great signs and wonders” that would occur in the last days. We are seeing that with the emergence of the New Age thinking right inside many churches.
What many think is the power of God, is a counterfeit spirit. These things should be taught so we can have eyes to see and ears to hear and be able to discern what is from God, and what is not according to His Word.
Counterfeit Spirits Have ONE Ultimate Plan- To Seek, Kill and Destroy
Have you ever heard of someone who once knew Christ, and over time because they dabbled with “teachings” that they decided to openly deny Jesus and embrace an entirely different mindset?
We are seeing this in a few charismatic circles where you have people listening to teachings, and engaged in practices but have not not tested the spirits, or the information that is being taught, and in turn they have doorways open to the occult in their lives.
There ARE the authentic things of God, and the false things NOT of God going on in churches around the world.
Today’s Christian NEEDS to be discerning.
How can you tell what is what?
One way you can tell right from wrong is knowing the word of God well. If you know the word, then you should be able to test what is being presented. Having close Christians around that you trust is another way to bounce ideas off, and measure things as you go along.
How To Identify A Church That Is Into The New Age
1 Red Flag – If the church practices Yoga-
Many Christians believe they can practice yoga postures, breathing, and focusing techniques, and call it “just exercise”, but what most Christians don’t know is you cannot separate the religious aspects of the exercise from the spiritual doorways that are opened. You can read more about this here:
“Your Inner God”? Why Yoga Should Be Compared To Drinking Bleach
2 Another “Jesus”, Another “Spirit”, Another “Gospel”
Paul warned us in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 about deception: Another Jesus is presented, another spirit is poured out and another gospel which reads different.
2 Corinthians 11:1-4King James Version (KJV)
11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
How does the Jesus in the bible measure to the one presented in your local church?
• “Another Jesus” – A “Jesus” who does not ask followers to take up their cross, die to their sins daily and follow the commandments. You should know Anton LaVey from the Church of Satan’s motto, ‘Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.‘ In other words, what they hold up high is – do what feels best to you. Isn’t that what most churches embrace? Jesus died for your sins, so you don’t have to follow the instruction guide is what they say. Sin is always covered they say… or don’t bother reading the rule guide anymore,…it no longer applies. See how most believers have adopted a Satanic belief? That is a Satanic motto…but it also has become the churches as well.
• “Another spirit” – A “Spirit” which gives people exciting feelings but does not give them power to be holy.
• “Another gospel” – A “Gospel” that requires no repentance, does not deliver them from sin, and doesn’t teach to obey the commandments. Cutting and pasting is the motto today.
3 Laying On Hands
Laying on hands is a very biblical practice, but you also need to be very careful WHO lays hands on you, and what they are imparting unto you.
The laying on of hands signifies the imparting of spiritual blessings, authority, and/or power. In the Old Testament, a blessing was often transferred this way. Jacob passed on blessings from God by laying his hands on Ephraim and Manasseh (Genesis 48:13-20). In Acts, a newly baptized person had hands laid on him for the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:17-18 “they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit…” Also see Acts 19:5-6 and II Timothy 1:6. The other purpose for the laying on of hands is that of ordaining someone. In Acts 6, we see seven men who became deacons when the apostles prayed and “laid hands on them“.
When you see BELOW how the demonic realm are using this transference…. realize that the other side is just as powerful. It would be amazing to have someone who can operate in the power of God, lay their hands on you for those same gifts. Yet, most of the church doesn’t realize the power of the gifts of the spirit.
Kundalini – The False Holy Spirit
A Imparting Of A Demonic Spirit
If you search for “Kundalini, Shakti, church” on youtube, you will find a variety of videos showing these manifestations of the kundalini spirit in churches.
You will see crowds of people who seem to be acting drunk in the church.
It happens when these spirits are imparted by the laying on of hands. Just like this spiritual gift can be good, and OF God, the devil has also taken advantage of this for himself.
In Eastern religions, when a Guru touches people on the forehead, people experience a “Kundalini Awakening”.
Christina and Stanislov Grof, (New Age authors of the book) “The Stormy Search for the Self,” describe that individuals involved in Kundalini energy might find it difficult to control their behavior; they find themselves making involuntary sounds, and their bodies move in strange and unexpected patterns. You would expect to see unnatural laughter, crying, and imitating a variety of animal sounds and movements.
Researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:
“The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’. At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead, by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch. The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini. After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably, sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called ‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness…”
Guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:
“When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions, the Kundalini Shakti has become active.”
“A Fire Tunnel” is where leaders and prayer teams form two lines facing each other ready to pray for, lay hands on for impartation.
More Fire Tunnel footage
In some of these churches which many suspect are dabbling with this false spirit, you will see the tell tale signs.
- Persons deliberately placing their hand on other persons forehead until “something” a manifestation occurs.
- Shouting, wailing, shaking, falling flat out on the ground.
- People in the congregation laughing uncontrollably.
- Strange hand movements, or body moments in general. Heads moving back and forth at such high abnormal speeds
- Drunkenness to the point where they cannot even control themselves. They look as though they are at a bar drinking.
- Weird shaking and very unusual head & body movements…
- People making animal noises.
If this was from God, we would then be seeing more of the authentic traits of the Holy Spirit which would draw people to HIS word.
An authentic move of God would lead people to do the following:
- We would see believers have a healthy fearfulness of the Lord that lead them to want to obey His commandments
- We would have a deep interest in wanting to FAST for more of Him,
- We would see a reverence for the Holiness of God. On the floor praying, being very aware of the places of God, – (taking off their shoes, being in the presence of God)
- We would see prayer with a level of intensity
- We would see PRAISE and WORSHIP with a level of intensity.
- We would see people draw closer to HIM, and pray out the things found in the word. Praying out scriptures and promises of God. They would lift the Word of God up on high.
If these spiritual experiences were from God, – you would see the display of the fruit of the spirit in increasing measure, (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control).
Notice SELF CONTROL is one of those traits. In one video where this Kundalini spirit is present, a lady falls to the ground and while she lays on the ground she exposes herself. Would this really be from God? When you cannot stop yourself from doing something, – such as the laughing seen in many of these videos, that is certainly not from God.
Self Control is a trait that is from God. The devil on the other hand often overtakes the person where they cannot control what they are doing. You see this in the demonic circles. In one man’s testimony where he played with the ouiji board so much that over time the spirits he was contacting eventually took over his voice. He would be in public places shouting out profanities. He was so embarrassed. He couldn’t help himself. What he did was open the door to these demonic spirits, and over time, they overtook him. He couldn’t control it. We see this same spirit in some of these churches.
I attended a stampede once where there was a show I shouldn’t have watched. It was a show where the man would ask volunteers from the audience to come up on the stage. He would place HIS HANDS ON THEM, and with a key word spoken over them he could get them to act like animals. What he was doing is placing demonic spirits on them. They would go back into the audience, and when he spoke the keyword from the platform these people in the audience would act like chickens and all sorts of animals. It sounded very authentic, and so realistic that the crowd was in awe! What they were witnessing was the spirits overtake them. The people gave their permission before hands were placed on them. What many didn’t realize is that he was using demonic spirits to entertain people. Then, these people would leave WITH THESE spirits. I saw people who were up on the stage start to leave and be several yards from the stage, leaving the arena, and this man would say the key word into the microphone, and as the people were leaving, they still started acting like animals. They left with those fowl spirits. I doubt they ever had them cast out of them, and lived with problems afterwards. I wish I was a stronger Christian to say something.
You see the exact same thing in these churches. When you compare the two, they are identical experiences. They have no control over their bodies. That trait in itself is from the devil.
In his book, “Searching Issues” Nicky Gumbel quotes a survey that estimates that 25% of Americans are involved in some form of New Age practice. Many of those taking an interest in New Age are seeking deep, spiritual experiences and meaning in their lives.
Where does the rubber meet the road on this topic?
When you engage in these activities knowingly or unknowingly, these demonic spirits are given access into your life…and you begin to show the fruits of darkness. You may experience yourself dealing with fits of rage, a lack of love, anger, resentment, feelings of unforgiveness. Everything unholy that you can think of you are then going to battle against. When you invite something like this into your house and life, you then start NON STOP battling against the powers of darkness over your life. WORSE off you cannot get into the word. There is a fight to read your bible. Eventually, many of these people fall away from entanglements of sin being introduced or lured into their life from these spirits.
“MissMaverick | It’s affecting my eyesight, I see things when my eyes are closed, my state of consciousness is all over the place, I feel like Im going to float off into space, its making me constantly dizzy, making me have thoughts like I have “discovered” some sort of truth, but I know its wrong, terrifying thoughts. How do I get rid of this? The more I read the Bible, the more symptoms I get. What do I do? How did you get yourselves out of this mess? I don’t want to hear just prey to Jesus, Im doing that. A lot. What else can I do? Please help!Hey guys, I really need help. I have been dealing with K symptoms for over 2 months now and I can’t bear it anymore.
ANSWER: You need these things CAST out of your life.
How do you do this?
Deliverance is not complicated. First, you need to get rid of any material in your house that is occult related. See this post and this post for more detail on this subject.
You can also simply DEMAND For these things to leave you in Yeshua Jesus’s name. Take authority over it, and command it to leave. If you feel it coming back into your life after you have cast it out, continue to cast it out until you don’t sense it trying to come back. Our authority in Christ can command these things to go. As you can see above, the person still has the spirit, and has not asked it to leave.
Everyone needs a clean spiritual body. I would encourage you to do this often.
My final question is – How are we presenting authentic Christianity to those earnestly seeking spiritual fulfillment?
Are we preaching with boldness the themes of sound doctrine of the faith to those who are seeking?,… or are we presenting a worldly gospel with doctrine not found in the scriptures?
Are we presenting the power of God to those who really want to hear about it? Are we highlighting genuine miracles around the world? Are we touching on those miracles that have happened to believers around the world for edification? As a body we actually HAVE these amazing miracles… which Hollywood has to make up with cameras. Are we reporting on these miracles? An informed church is a church that will stay plugged in.
More than ever, the people in the world have a vast amount of choices today. We need to be believers representing the gospel well, and able to provide answers that are well thought out and researched to those who have questions. If we are not teaching on the dangers of these books, dvds, games that are ever on the market and in the stores, chances are we are not going to reach the vast majority of people out there that view “church ” as old fashioned.
Below are some great links to articles I feel also inform about the New Age and what you can do to stay informed.
- Charles Spurgeon on the Holy Spirit (kimolsen.wordpress.com)
- Kundalini Serpent Spirit & Yoga (servehiminthewaiting.wordpress.com)
- Resisting and Grieving the Holy Ghost (raptureimminent.wordpress.com)
- False “holy Spirit” invading the Church (talithaspraathuis.wordpress.com)
- The Bethel Church Cult (kimolsen.wordpress.com)
- Open Challenge to Fans and Critics of Bill Johnson/Bethel Church (notunlikelee.wordpress.com)
- Connecting the Dots – Kundalini to New Evangelicalism (defendingcontending.com)
How To Witness To A Person Trapped In The Philosophies Of New Age Thinking
This article was written by Vincent McCann of spotlight ministries :
Many have realized that science does not hold all of the answers to life, the universe, and everything, and so some are turning to the spiritual for more meaningful answers. Sadly though, many are looking in the wrong places and stumbling blindly into New Age philosophies. Christians, therefore, have both a responsibility and an opportunity to share their faith with those who are actually searching for spiritual wisdom and point them to Jesus Christ. Below are some brief tips and suggestions to help Christians share Christ with their New Age friends.
Because of the great diversity of beliefs in the New Age, don’t automatically assume that you know what the person believes. The best thing to do is simply ask them what they believe about a given subject. What may be true to one New Ager, may not be true for another!
Earn the right to be heard. Sadly, there are many Christians who are simply ill equipped to dialogue with New Ager’s. If a Christian says something which is not true of the New Age movement, the New Ager will tend to reject much of what is then said to them because they will have lost some respect for that Christian. If you are going to talk to those in the New Age movement – do your homework! Research what they believe. If you say something that they feel you have misunderstood them on, but it is actually accurate, be prepared to back it up with quotes from New Age leaders and authorities.
Stress the uniqueness of Christ. Most New Ager’s will admit to Christ being an ‘enlightened one’ of some description, but will deny His unique status as the only begotten Son of God and the only way of salvation.
Stress that humanity has a sin nature (Rom. 3:23). Most New Ager’s don’t think about the issue of sin at all because they feel that all they need to overcome problems is deeper meditation and to eventually realize one’s own divinity. Show them they are sinners in need of a Savior coming from the ‘outside’, not man having the potential to save himself by releasing something hidden within himself.
Don’t ‘preach at them or talk down to them. Instead, make a statement in the form of a question. For example, instead of saying something like:
“You New Ager’s believe in channeling demons”,
instead say something like
“Am I right in assuming that the New Age Movement believes in channeling spirits to give messages? How can we be sure that these spirits are really who they claim to be? Are you aware of what the Bible says about evil deceiving spirits?”
Jesus Himself asked many questions to force people to think. Follow the example of Paul when he went preached at Athens in Acts Ch. 17. Even though he was “provoked within him as he was beholding the city full of idols” (v. 16), he did not go storming in and calling them a bunch of idol worshipers, or of the Devil etc., rather, he said: “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects” He goes on to say that among their items of worship he saw a statue which said “TO AN UNKNOWN GOD” and used this as an opportunity to tell them about the God they can know. Modern New Ager’s are just like these ancient men of Athens. Verse 21 says: “Now all the Athenians and the strangers visiting there used to spend their time in nothing other than telling or hearing something new).” Indeed, those who frequent modern New Age fairs are exactly like the people of Athens in the first century. Like the apostle Paul, Christians can also take advantage of the spiritual hunger in the hearts of people, commend them for seeking spiritual things, but then point them to Jesus.
Top Tips From gci.org
Have A Heart For Another Person – “Like most of us, New Agers are looking for love, healing and spiritual guidance. They are seeking to rid themselves of guilt, pain and emptiness”
Do not condemn. “Acidic language and confrontation do more harm than good, and they close off avenues for winning New Agers to Christ. Though we must not adopt a naive and uncritical approach toward the New Age, neither should we denounce it wholesale as demonism and satanism. Such blanket condemnation is irritating, alienating, unhelpful—and inaccurate”
Focus On The More Important Elements Of The Conversation – “It is also important not to argue with New Agers over elements of New Age thought that are not in conflict with Christianity. Not all New Age ideas and practices are intrinsically hostile to Christianity”
Find Common Ground “If there is one thing that unites New Agers and Christians, it is a recognition of the need for more spirituality and less materialism in today’s world. Highlight areas of agreement before exploring differences”.
Emphasize Jesus Christ. “Jesus Christ is the center of true spirituality. He is superior to all angels and “spirit guides,” and is alone worthy of worship, honor and reverence. Only Christ can fulfill one’s unmet needs. Be open about what Jesus has done in your life. An enthusiastic faith is a contagious faith”
Reflect The Love Of Christ “Many New Agers reject Christianity because they fail to see Christ’s influence in the lives of Christians. The most effective way to share your faith with New Agers is to show them by your life what Christianity is. The Holy Spirit offers us the power to be different people. Show others by your example that the Christian faith can lead people into a new dimension of personal development and maturity”
Is Your Church New Age? By Eric Barger
Though in the late 1990’s the Emergent Church Movement may have started out with good intentions, it has come to symbolize a blatant apostate religion that has usurped and is now replacing authentic Christianity in theological institutions, denominations, and local churches worldwide.
The Emergent Church Movement takes its name from the idea that the culture has changed, and a new church should emerge in response.
In the pamphlet “How to Spot the Emergent Church in Your Church” I defined Emergent as:
* Experience over Reason
* Spirituality over Doctrine and Absolutes
* Images over Words
* Feelings over Truth
* Earthly Justice over Salvation
* Social Action over Eternity
To the Postmodern-Emergent follower truth is relative, secondary, unattainable, and those who hold to absolutes are viewed as arrogant. Though this may remind some of a definition for liberalism, make no mistake – the Emergent Church is far more than that and is much more closely aligned to pagan, New Age spirituality than to biblical Christianity.
There is no soft or diplomatic way to portray it other than to say that Emergent Christianity really isn’t Christianity AT ALL.
Read more archive.constantcontact.com
Michael Gleghorn’s Christian Books That Provide Answers To New Agers
“how do I witness about the New Age movement with firm intelligence but empathy?”
There are a number of helpful books available which set forth a Christian response to the New Age Movement. I will recommend a few resources you might want to consider, but the bibliographies in most of these will direct you to many further resources as well.
1. Embraced by the Darkness: Exposing New Age Theology from the Inside Out by Brad Scott (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 1996). Brad spent ten years involved in the New Age religion until converting to Christianity. He teaches at Golden Gate University.
2. Confronting the New Age and Unmasking the New Age by Douglas Groothuis (InterVarsity Press). Doug teaches at Denver Seminary.
3. The New Age Movement and the Biblical Worldview by John Newport (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1998). This looks like a comprehensive resource by a distinguished professor of Philosophy of Religion at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
4. Apologetics in the New Age: A Christian Critique of Pantheism by David Clark and Norman Geisler (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1990).
5. Encyclopedia of New Age Beliefs by John Ankerberg and John Weldon (Oregon: Harvest House, 1996).
6. I would also recommend checking out Marcia Montenegro’s website at www.christiananswersforthenewage.org . Marcia was a former astrologer who was deeply involved in the New Age Movement prior to her conversion to Christianity. She has many helpful articles on her site. CANA stands for Christian Answers for the New Age. Please be sure to check out her site.
Finally, there is a brief article on the New Age Movement by Kerby Anderson on the Probe website. In addition, there are many other related articles in our “Cults and World Religions” section on our Web site at www.probe.org.
A careful study of some of these resources, combined with prayer and compassion for those you seek to reach, will be of great benefit to you as you seek to share Christ with those you love.
Best wishes in witnessing for Him,
Personal Comments From Other Sites:
As a former ‘new ager’ I can attest I would not listen/engage with Christians, Jesus was foreign and someone speaking about him was like a reading a story in German to someone who only speaks Japanese. As an outsider I looked at religion & the Bible with skepticism/cynicism… I only saw it’s outcome as creating controversy, conflicts, wars and blood shed. So I chalked it off as having any potential for truth and found myself off on a spiritual journey for truth which led into new age and over a decade in the quest for enlightenment. Long story short, towards the pinnacle of my becoming a new age teacher guru- certain experiences/observances led me to become suspicious ,question things and simultaneously my personal life (marriage and health) falling apart and thank God it was in my disillusionment that I started to separate myself from the new age community. New Age is like an octopus, you don’t get free in one shot, it’s a painstaking process of loosening the one sucker from the tip down to the base till you’ve untangled and released all eight of its arms. Since I very much believed in God, I decided to pray that if this Jesus figure was the real deal for God to reveal it to me… that’s when all kinds of amazing miracles took place that eventually led to my salvation and revealed new age for the counterfeit lie that it is.
“When people tried to witness to me, nothing they said touched my heart. I’d tell them, ‘You think you know the ‘truth,’ well I do too! Okay we’re done, let’s go on to something else.'”
“Here I was an unemployed single mother of two. When I would call my New Age friends and explain my situation they’d say, ‘Oh, golly,’ and hang up the phone. But when I talked to my Christian friends–and they all thought I was a Christian–they would simply say ‘Get into His Word,’ which didn’t mean a thing to me. But I got to the point where I was literally on my knees crying out, ‘God save me.'”
“Even though I was deep into the New Age, I had this indescribable desire to read the Bible. I wanted to find God, but I didn’t trust Christians enough to talk to any of them.
“New Agers know bits and pieces of Scripture. I would hear the promises of Matthew 6 about God clothing the lilies of the fields and feeding the birds, but nothing about ‘seek first His kingdom.’ I’ve seen posters with Isaiah’s promise of running and not being weary, but not a word about God judging false prophets. Quoting scriptures to New Agers is like ‘yah, yah, I’ve heard that’.” The secret to reaching them is to encourage them to study the Bible in complete context.
Studying God’s Word also was the turning point for Sylvia. “I think in the back of my mind, I still had my Christian roots. God says His Word doesn’t come back void.
“But the thing that really got to me was God’s Word, especially in Isaiah 44:6. ‘I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.’ [Mormons believe that we are all gods in process and Shirley MacLaine believes that she is “God.”] I was really hungry and searching, and just began studying the Bible. I accepted the Lord and felt an oppressiveness leave me as I cleaned out the house of Mormon literature and astrology. Read more here
Spiritual Conversation Openers From home.snu.edu
Additional witnessing / soul-winning resources
- Lyle Pointer’s “spiritual conversation starters”
- Writing your testimony [ see worksheet ]
- Walking away – a personal evangelism, soul-winning case study
- Witnessing scenarios
- How to witness: a PowerPoint presentation on relational evangelism | open as PowerPoint ]
“Why I Left the Prophetic Movement” – Nov 4, 2004.
It is with great sadness that I make the following report.
I said last week that the ‘Whitedove’ conference in Kansas City this past weekend would be a pivotal one. It certainly was pivotal for me personally. I wish I could say that there was deep repentance – that the preaching was incredibly anointed and the crowd were on their faces crying before God. I wish I could say that, but I can’t. In fact, it seemed to me that the opposite was true. The saddest thing of all is that many people probably came away from this conference saying how “wonderful” and “uplifting” it was (-just as they always do). But I have to tell you, I was grieved to the core by it. Many parts of it I would even describe as spiritually “sick”.
Some people believe that the fall of Paul Cain into serious sin is some kind of aberration – just one individual’s problem. But I am convinced that the fall of Paul Cain (-who was recognized worldwide as the ‘father’ of this movement) is a symptom of a much wider disease. The whole movement is sick. As I have stated in previous articles, the ‘Prophetic’ as we know it is really a “fallen” movement – since the early 1990’s. But I always held out hope that it would somehow turn around and get back on track again. In fact, I believed that this conference was a heaven-sent opportunity for that to happen.
However, after what I saw this weekend, I no longer believe this is possible. The deception is now too deep. This movement is being “given over to believe a lie” and I want no part of it. I am cutting myself off, because I cannot afford the disease to spread into what we ourselves are doing. Things have now gotten so bad that we have to separate ourselves – and to do so publicly.
As you know, I requested special prayer from you all last week that a true spirit of Repentance might prevail in this conference. The reason I made this request was because God had woken me up at 6 am the previous Friday and given me a strong word about the conference. (God only wakes me up like this quite rarely – perhaps five times a year).
The word He gave me was that this must be a ‘repentance’ conference – that this was in essence the “last chance” for the Prophetic movement because it had become more and more corrupt – centered around money and ‘ear-tickling’ words, false prophecy and so-on. This was a gathering of KEY prophets at a moment in time when the ‘father’ of the movement had just fallen. It was God’s ideal moment for a truly “solemn assembly”. (And yes – I did write and pass this word on – in person – to the three main leaders of the conference).
However, what actually eventuated at this event seemed to me to be more akin to a circus than a solemn assembly. The music, the concert-style lighting, the stage dancers, the groaning tables stacked high with books and CD’s for sale, the ‘ear-tickling’, the hype, the $40.00 door fee (plus extra offerings taken each session) – and that’s just for starters.
What really bothered me about the weekend was the total lack of any truly ‘prophetic’ preaching. There was some good stuff on Self-pity and Bitterness right near the start, but after that it was mostly downhill. As always, there were plenty of anecdotes and tales of angelic visitations, etc. There were Scriptures quoted and a few helpful insights. But as far as a message that truly pierces and challenges and convicts – well, don’t go looking for that in THIS prophetic movement! In fact, there were warnings AGAINST any message that might come across as even slightly “condemning”, and there was even one of those cute talks on the need for “loving oneself”, etc.
Today’s prophets seem to talk a lot ABOUT the ‘sword of the Lord’ but never actually bring it to bear. They bring no piercing word. And thus the entire movement is open to great deception. And instead of REPENTANCE, people are getting all kinds of counterfeit spiritual experiences. There seems to be almost no discernment at all.
The ON-STAGE DANCING throughout this conference was a good example. Now, I myself am a rock musician, but from the beginning these dance items had a rather ‘wild’ aspect to them that truly made me uncomfortable in my spirit. There was even one that came across like a sensual ‘Harem’ dance. Much of it really felt “off” – and almost anyone who sees the videos will tell you so. Even the worship had a very “tribal” feel to it at times. And by Day Three they were doing dance items with just loud voodoo-style drums only – and leaping around in a frenzied circle making weird cries to the super-amplified beat. The feeling in the room was so oppressive and “pagan” during this, that I could hardly even bear to stay in there. Then came one of the most shocking statements of the whole conference – from one of the main prophets. He got up and said that people may feel uncomfortable with such obviously “pagan” type dancing, but that it was originally God’s type of dancing and we were just now ‘stealing back’ what the pagans had stolen from God!
I have to admit, this was the last straw for me. What could be more blatant? What kind of ‘spirits’ do they think are being transmitted to people who open themselves up to that music? There is no discernment in this movement at all.
Now, I do not primarily blame the dancers. They were young and possibly immature. (-They weren’t actually from ‘Whitedove’ itself). Clearly, most of the blame lies with the main prophets who invited them in and openly endorsed and promoted what was happening the whole time. They would get up and publicly acclaim these dance items, thus ensuring that the spirit of it would pervade the entire event. And indeed it did – more and more.
Remember, most of the major “movers and shakers” of the Prophetic movement were at this conference, going along with this stuff. I repeat what I said earlier: This movement demonstrates absolutely NO DISCERNMENT. I urge everyone to GET OUT NOW, before even worse is brought in. I believe this movement is RIGHT NOW being given over to deception by God – and it is going to get much worse.
Even the ‘spiritual’ moments in this conference often had strong touches of “Charis-mania” excess about them. And this was not the ‘harmless, silly’ kind of excess, either. It was at a level where I believe demonic spirits of deception were clearly at work. By the last session the audience was so hyped that they threw away all inhibition and leapt into the ‘pagan’ dancing themselves with wild abandon. And one of the main prophets even got up and announced that there were angels in the room going around “blowing on peoples’ fingers” if only they would lift them up in the air. That particular part sounds silly, but actually the whole thing by this stage had become awful beyond words. Virtually every day I came home utterly grieved and depressed. I had come to this conference with great expectancy and hope, thinking that the return of Bob Jones may bring a renewal of all that was originally good about this movement. I literally came as a ‘friend’ and they turned me into an enemy in the space of three days.
Below are the SPECIFIC THINGS that God told me He has against this movement as a whole:
-The giving and receiving of “ear-tickling” words.
-The giving and receiving of money in expectation of prophecy.
-False words and false teaching.
-The lack of a true Repentance message.
-The spiritual ‘blindness’ that allows familiar spirits and spirits of divination to flourish.
-The failure of this movement to judge itself, meaning that God must judge it.
-The idolising of well-known prophets – placing them on a pedestal.
-And so on….
WHAT NOW FOR US?
Well, obviously, with great sadness we must now totally cut ourselves off from today’s Prophetic Movement. Any related links and articles will be removed from our web-site immediately.
As you know, for some time now I have spoken of the ‘John-the- Baptist’ type ministries that must arise to preach REPENTANCE in the Western nations. -Preachers of righteousness with a piercing word, like the Finneys, the Wesleys and the Whitefields of old. Such ministries are essential for true Revival to come. I now see that this new move must completely “separate itself” from the influence of the existing Prophetic movement. We need a completely ‘NEW’ Prophetic, and to keep it from being tainted by the sickness that has infected the old, there must be a complete cutting-off and a “leaving behind”.
I urge all of you to take this before the Lord for yourself. We live in very dangerous times, and I believe the old Prophetic literally stands under the judgement of God.
For our ministry in Kansas City, what this means is that we have to go right back to the original calling and mandate over this city, and build on that. We cannot build on the movement that came after. The 21 days of prayer and fasting, the comet that came, and the comission to preach Repentance to the Lukewarm church – these were all foundational elements. So too were the four standards of “Holiness of heart, Unwavering faith, Day and Night prayer, and Extravagant Giving to the Poor”. The original Prophetic move here seemed to be relatively pure for only a few years – and then quickly became a quagmire. So we have to stick to only the original foundations – and build on that. Our Sunday night meetings in Kansas City will certainly continue.
There were prophecies last year that a ‘new’ prophetic – a “second phase” was about to begin. I do believe this. But what we need to make sure of is that it does not become ensnared in the garbage of this previous movement. It must be totally NEW.
I would ask that you forward this announcement to as many Lists as you can, and to your Christian friends. We want it as widely known as possible that we have cut off all relations with the current Prophetic movement – and why we did it.
To email me with any feedback, please write to: email@example.com
As you can tell, it has been a terribly sad and devastating weekend for myself and my family. We would truly appreciate your prayers at this time, my friends.
God bless you all.
Kindest regards in Christ,
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